Oz Painters

The categories are now up and can be found at http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/conte ... d=15100003

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Hmmm - no "Large Model" category (replaced by LOTR group) That's a shame, I was looking forward to doing a few over the next few years as I really enjoyed doing the Horror last year. I realise I could always enter something similar into the Open category, but now that's also been confirmed as being "in person, on the day" entry so that rules that out unless I shell out a few hundred bucks and several days time to be able to make it down there again.

Also noticed the rules stipulating no non-GW product to be used in the entries (which I would assume to also include bases?). Seems obvious, but I think a lot of us have used non GW product in our entries in one way or another. My Mephiston was on a back to basics base last year for example...

Wonder if this comes down to basing materials No more Silfor tufts!!

I must say I'm looking forward to the LOTR license running out sooner rather than later but not holding my breath...

Good to see the Local and Regional round on back to back weekends, with the whole thing done and dusted in the space of few weeks, doesn't drag out nearly as long as before, which is great.

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Still has to be on a gaming base... :/

Interesting, though, that Fantasy models can now be on round bases, too...

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KyleM on painting rule number 5: Don't have random dance/food breaks instead of painting models for GD:

I'll accept that.

Makes you wonder if plasticard and 'landscaping' supplies are ok?

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I like the fact the first two rounds are so close together.

I was going to try to email GW to ask a few questions about the wording of some of these so I don' mess up like I have in the past. I figured if anyone else has any questions, I can collate them all and send them off all at once in one email, rather than people doubling up and sending the same question a few times. What I was going to ask:

Free entry with purchase of Games Day ticket - Does this mean we just show up at the first round with a Games Day ticket, or do we get the ticket in advance by showing the Games Day ticket?

"Appropriately sized gaming base" - Does this mean 'the base the model is packaged with' or is it possible to upsize the base. For instance, can I enter a Dark Elf (suppllied sith a 20mm base) on a 25mm base? If I enter a unit of Ork Nobz, can I enter them on 40mm bases instead of the 25mm bases they are supplied with?

If anyone else wants to ask anything else, I can wait until next Sunday to send them off, and add in any questions anyone wants answered.

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Rule 3: no game system merging.

There goes my entry for this year

Damn, and I was really hoping to enter my Lord of the 40000 Fantasy Rings "Mumak Steam Raider"...

But seriously, does this mean we can't do conversions that use large, noticeable parts from fantasy AND 40k, without any LoTR stuff; like making a river troll with mechanical arms/legs from a killa kan, and count it as a nurgle thing? :/

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KyleM on painting rule number 5: Don't have random dance/food breaks instead of painting models for GD:

I'll accept that.

In my case it was Skadians (ie Cadian arms, torsos, helmets & weapons, Skaven tails, legs & heads.... kinda like mutant Guard, but properly ratted).

But my guess is yeah, you do have to noticeably Grimdark up items that go into 40K. Not sure how that'll work with Daemons. Give them chainswords maybe?

The one thing other then the already tight basing restrictions is the fact that they are going to be policing the basing materials as well, making basing even more restricted. I mean c'mon.... I cant get a tin bucket from GW so I either have to scratch it or go without if thats the case becuse 3rd party products are bad, even if GW dont sell anything like it.... Also how tight are the rules for this. Im assuming you cant use any brass shell casings either, because GW dont have them, so NO to cool looking bases. It's like the fun police came in and set up shop in the GD Oz department. Woo hoo for even more basing restrictions. *waves a little flag about a bit*

I think that GD Oz must be trying to go back to the old green sand base from the 80's. Otherwise why all the restrictions on materials and the such. I would understand if GW produced and sold the basing materials themselves, but they dont, so how are they losing out? I don't know, just a little peeved that we in Oz once again get slapped creativly with even more restrictions on basing of minis. Means even more work to get a base that looks semi-decent as you cant use anything but the average GW basing kit for the respected range 40k/WFB, scratch built or organic bits.

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I am finding the rules getting more restrictive also. having only a brief look at them. I really wonder how strict they will be restricting these rules. I mean if you seriously cannot use non-GW basing materials... then Diorama is almost impossible to do. So going by the current rules, even modest bases like Simon's Scouts from last year would not be able to have the long grass on the bases, ruining the cool figure brushing aside the grass with his hand.

Also this restiction on parts from other gaming systems... I really hope it is just a re-wording of not to mix LotR with Fantasy or 40k. Because not being able to mix Fanatasy and 40k parts together is really ridiculous! Why even bother to have the rule to allow Fantasy minis on circle bases... if you cant mix parts!!!

Not having Large Scale is bad also! I really wanted to enter that this year. shame.

And very weird that the weakest category from previous years, LotR, just suddenly got another category! I never managed to ever see many entries in LotR monster or unit, funny to see them back.... however in saying that....I think I will enter it. The chance to paint just three figures on a scenic base is about as good as it gets on the Oz Comp, so may aswell take advantage of it!

Good to see Lost Demon back, but sad to see that it wasnt transfered to a Finals Day only category, which would have been good I think.

Oh.... and the biggest thing for me is this rule: "Overall category winners must be present for the Games Day prize giving." So that means that you have to be at GD in order to have a chance at winning a Demon. I guess thats means we wont be seeing a few of the common names we often see in the winners circle if that is the case. Also this rule shows how useless the round system is.... when you need to travel to Sydeny for the finals anyway, what is the point of the round system? Just to have less entries and less to judge at the finals? doesnt really make sense to me....

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Its almost like the organisers want to kill off the hardcore painters and make it the "best wargaming tabletop mini from my army" comp. Im really quite dissapointed with the direction the Oz demons are heading, they bring back games day, only to make the competition even more restrictive, making people travel while still having the rounds..WTF is up with that? If you have to be there to win just hold the whole thing on one day, i forsee alot of sbstandard minis winning just due to the fact that the best painters cant be there on the day.

Also the basing... the eternal beatstick of the Oz organisers, why, WHY restrict it even more? Also if i hear that lame excuse of "its about the painting not the basing" excuse im likely to lose my $#*!, or the other line "we follow the UK" which they do not anyway, its just a lie/excuse. Basing is an intergral part of setting the scene of a mini and making a good paintjob awesome! There is no wonder the GD Oz is looked at like the mutated, retarded inbred cousin of the GD circuit. With all the restrictions I think that I should just stick the painted mini on a base without any basing at all. That should make the organisers happy yes?

When you look at the painting standard of minis at AusCon compared to GD Oz it was a much higher over all, the basing was not an issue with no over the top crazy bases at the event. If GW Oz and the GD team want a high quality painting comp for GD, then they need to look at following the UK rules as they are written, not how they are interpreted and get rid of the "need to be there on the day" crap that will knock out genuine painters that can't afford the travel costs, only lowering the standard even more. Also pick the best painted minis, 40k single 3rd place 2010 for example. No offence to the painter but it was most definetly not deserving 3rd compared to the better painted minis in the cabinet.

Oh.. and that kills the "its about the painting" argument/excuse they seem to come up with all the time.

So does that mean no plasticard, no balsa, no cardboard unless it comes from a GW boxset? How can the organisers look at this and the other GDs world wide and think that this is going to make the Oz demons better? Any response to why would be nice, BUT im sure we all know what the response would be. "its about the painting not blah blah" *vomit*

Also if it is down to the managers at the stores then there is going to be indiscrepancies with how the rule is enforced.

I do like that the lost demon is still there though, at least they got one thing right.

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Well that puts ALL of my entries on hold (the ones I have started and the ones still bouncing around in my head). So how far does the restriction on non GW products go, my bases use sand collected from the beach, rocks from a local building site, roots from "weeds" that "didn’t survive" in our garden and grass fibers that GW don't make. But I suppose I could replace my Mig pigments with the ones that Forge World produce

I'm now glad I waited until the GD rules were posted before investing in a ticket to this year's Golden Demons.

Well the new rules mean I'm definitely not entering anything this year.

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It could also be that they may have a sweeping statement meant to address a specific issue and haven't turned their minds to all the implications. The simple point is that there will be painters from interstate who will decide not to enter because they don't expect to be in Sydney. Congratulations to NSW on their expected dominance. Of course the alternative is a boycott, however I expect we will lose the event for good.

No doubt that its a sweeping statement. Just when you make such huge implications for modellers and the scope for the rules to be taken to far by over zealous staff in disqualifying entries, thats where this statement is scary.

Also its just another thing that puts people off entering in Oz, sadly its the amounr of restrictions that pop up in Oz that makes the event painting less fun and creative. Why cant we just all use the UK ruleset? make it a standard set for all GD's world wide?

If we lose the event, again, and it goes back to what it was before so be it. The only people that they can blame is the organisers and rules nazis that come out with these outdated and restrictive rules, that put off painters because a thing thats ment to be fun becomes a grind to comply with all the rules, plus you have to fly/train/walk to the actuall event to even be considered for a place no matter if you are the best on the day or not.

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