Oz Painters

OK just checked the GW website and it would appear to me that the rules have been altered, can anyone confirm this?

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BAZINGA!!

that would be correct.

1. THE LORD OF THE RINGS MODELS
In the categories open to The Lord of the Rings entrants, please note that you may not mix models or model components from our The Lord of the Rings ranges with models from our other ranges in any of the categories. Entries which mix models or model components in this way will be disqualified. This replaces the line saying that no games systems may have components from other games.

2. Overall winners do not have to be present for the finals judging, in respect to the fact of distance.

With regard to “ Entries may only contain components manufactured or sold by Games Workshop. Entries incorporating third party products or artefacts will not be considered.” we will not alter this line. This speaks to third party base manufacturers, other miniature and model manufacturers that sell the same type of components that Game Workshop does, and the presence of such in a Games Workshop painting competition like Golden Demon is not desired.

cheers

Heath

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I think this now makes alot more sense. So no using shields, weapons, miniature pieces on the base/ miniature from other manufactories. Static grass, bits of pipe etc are fine. I am glad to hear to that you dont have to be there to win, even though this year I hope to up there for a few days.

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Interesting developments.

Is this a direct response to our dissapointment in GD? Who knows. At least now I don't have to tear up my bases of my entries and I can try to paint something.

Although I'm still feeling a little dissapointed in the basing restrictions, Specially say, if you wanted to enter an elf, you would have to put him on the 20mmx20mm base... you cant put much on such a tiny base. Let alone a decent banner weilding elf.

Even if they wanted to have a size limit, a single mini would be fine on a base restricted to 30x30x20mm or 40x40x20mm.

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Actually, agent_venom it was much simpler than that (from what I was told at my localstore). GW tried to make a 'solid' set of rules that covered everthing, and tried to avoid misinterpretation by being fairly specific about a few topics. Us painters, from our own experiences and stories from overseas comps, are the real rule Nazi's (in that we take them to the letter to avoid eventual dissapointment). Apart from the needing to be at the finals (which must be an international rule they may have adopted as the comp is at Games Day this year), its pretty much the same general guidelines as previous years.

I suppose with Matt Weaver being unavailiable for a few weeks our imagination got the better of us, but of couse thats only my interpretation of events. Personally i'm glad to see everything worked out to more or less for all of us to get into it properly.

Good luck to all those who are entering, cant wait to see this years creations.

SNK

Well, whilst my GW rage is still simmering at the moment given the embargo and 'finecast' fiasco, the reversal of the decision about having to be there on the day to win has pleased me greatly.

I am hoping the decision was as a direct result of the concerns and expressions of outrage voiced here and elsewhere. If so, I must tip my hat and thank them for listening.

now if they'll just tackle the other two issues for us

*edit* and also add that the 'GW only components' stipulation for entries sounds like common sense has prevailed. I don't think seeing "insert random miniature" sitting on a massive Scibor base (or similar) is something they would want to encourage - I'm a little surprised nothing was said about my Mephiston entry last year which was on a back to basics base, although I know there's been a precedent set for that before with winning entries on premade bases...

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From the looks of the rules, it has to be 'appropriate game sized', so 25mm for an elf would be OK. But it's still now that much. Compared to a 20mm base though, it seems huge.

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Great to hear that the basing issue has been clarified, and that the rule that winners can only be drawn from Gamesday attendees has been modified in consideration of the uniqueness of our Aussie comp with its regional 'round' system.

But I still don't know if I'll ever enter GD again unless the 'no display base/plinth' rule is been lifted. I think I laid out my argument in my earlier post on page 3, so I won't re-iterate. Suffice to say I think its of prime importance.

Does 'appropriately sized gaming base' mean 'game legal', or something else? It can't mean game legal, because circle bases and now be used for fantasy - correct? And also if 25mm square could be used instead of 20mm - yes? So then - what if one was to use a 40mm base for a single mini? What's the difference to the two other examples I've given? It's still a 'gaming base' - and I still think it's appropriately sized, if it's treated in such a way that fits with the figure. But for some reason I feel like the judges would have a problem with this. Are we still stuck on that 'category is determined by size of base, not size of figure' issue? Is there a rule or judging guideline...?

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I know exactly how you feel. Just look how good Martin's tomb king looks on the 40mm base. It frames the figure so much better than a 20mm base would.

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I dont see why we wouldnt be able to see things like that entered into a single mini category.

A 40mm squar or circular base is a much better size for single minis just for the way the base frames the mini and creates focus and interest.

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Two things:

Friday they announce the special guests at 10am for Games Day:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/conte ... d=7500004a
I'd be interested to see who comes out, specifically if any of their sculptors/'Eavy Metal team some out here.

Also, I noticed the other day the reason I never got a response to the email I sent GW weeks ago was that it was *still* sitting in my email as an unsent item... Fired it off, and got a response the next day. Basically, I asked if it was possible to put models on larger bases (I've snipped off the 'thanks for the email' etc comments for speeds sake):



I'm pretty happy with that response, but I'm sure some people that wanted to put large single models in 40mm etc bases will be annoyed.

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same old basing BS that plagues the event. Sad really, as im likely only to apply token effort to GD and spend my time making the REAL entries for painting comps like AusCon.

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I'm actually quite surprised how much hate there is towards the basing issue, I mean you guys are lucky enough to not even have to go to a Games Day to win. I'm pretty sure if you check out all the stuff eavy metal do theres actually a lot you can do to make a miniature in to something special with out fancy basing. The fact of the matter is it's a Games Workshop event and not an event run by painters so in the end it's them who decide.

Sorry to annoy anyone but unless any of you guys take over and run the Golden Demon, I don't really see any changes happening.

Gustav has made a very valid point, actually a few valid points. While we the only country to have a rounds system (which IMHO helps us interstate peeps get a fair go), and there is no need to actually attend Games Day. Sounds like a reasonably fair way to compromise to me.

Secondly the basing issue. A game of cricket has rules... poker has rules... the wargames we play have rules... and so does GD have rules. The overseas GD have little/no restriction on basing, and the results are great looking miniatures on sometimes even greater looking bases. However there is still occasionally controversy in the looser interpretation of their rules too (in particular 'intelectual property'). Also, could you imagine putting all the work into a larger base/pilinth, only to have it broken in transit from one state to another because its harder to move?

Personaly I'm not overly phased by the basing restriction, but instead am relieved that we have a rule that allows for like vs like miniatures to be judged against eachother. The true skill in our competition is from the painting of the actual model that stands on the base. I also realy enjoy the daunting task of 'how can I make this 20mm square base look super awsome' too.

To further strenghten my argument... we still have the open category. Last year there were heaps of open entries on 'standard gaming bases'(?!) even though there were no restrictions on that here. If you want to get creative with a 'non gaming base or pilinth' then do it in open, where you have no round issues to contend with and no basing issues.

Lets look at Oz GD as our playground. We didn't build it, nor do we supervise it... so put away your issues (or grab some tissues... ha that rhymes) and get your brushes ready. Time is better spent painting your models than wondering why the rules are crappy.

In similar contrats to Gustav's post, this is not ment to annoy anyone either but more to encourage painters to get on with what we do best, which is painting.

SNK

Not arguing with the points above, but I need to point out that I asked the question because in the past the basing rules have hurt me. I started on Orc Warboss years ago riding a boar which I had on a 50mm base, and did not realise until a few weeks before that it would end up in vehicle (My bad). A few years ago I got the Games Day Warboss painted up to use in what I thought would be the special 'games day only model' category where they had the dwarf slayer the year before. I put him on a round base (The one he came with) and because of that he was put into 40K large. Last year when I handed in my Lost Demon entry (A goblin jester on a 25mm base) the manager at the local GW picked it up and started to say that it was on the wrong base, and I had to bite my tongue while I was telling him there wasn't such a strict basing restriction in Lost Demon, and it could still count as a Fantasy Single on that base.

I'm planning on working hard on my entries this year, but I'd rather not go through all that work, including building bases larger than the ones provided with the model within reason, just to be told I can't enter because of the base size. I just wanted to be prepared.

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