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no, nothing will be disappearing at this stage - I've already done a cooat of varnish, and I'm doing these things over the top. That's become my habit.

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Just to clarify, my main issue with the verdegris was with the clasps, not the axe, and was mainly to do with making sure they stood out from the cloak.

Anyway, I look forward to a short guide on how you used the powders/pigments, especially as I found my pastels while sorting out my desk draw the other day. So whether you mix them with water, medium, just apply them as a dust, how thick etc

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well with the pigments I can't really write a good explanation because I don't really know how to do it myself yet! I'm just experimenting and seeing what works I'm just mixing them with water though, not with any medium - I think one of the advantages is that you can play around with it even after it dries, and remove it easily etc - so mixing with medium would make it more like paint. Coz I mean, that's what paint really is, isn't it - medium mixed with pigment! haha

So just give your pastels a go anyway! Mix some in water and paint some on an area, and see what happens

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ok, I've spent today working more on most of the areas you guys mentioned - does this look any better? Or do I need to do more...? I'll post a couple of different views as well in a few minutes.

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The axe head looks soo much better now good decesion, nice and rusty!

The fur looks way more defined aswell, but still not enough for my tastes I am sure its just the photo, and the sculpt that make it look unfinished. Its only really at the bottom back part of the fur, the front looks good. But hey, it is still better then any of my stuff, so I shouldnt complain really.........

The verdegris looks a little different aswell, I still thinks it detracts from other parts of the mini, but you said its better in real life so It may just be the photo. I remember you showing me a photo of your dark elf, and I had the same problem with the verdegirs being too bright, and then I saw it in person and it was fine, soo It is probably just the photo (but still too bright for my taste )

Anyways, what kinda of funky base are you gonna give him? I have a great big slab of Slate, if you want some.......also some crazy flock and stuff if you want some.

-K

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yes you're right about the fur at the back, there isn't enough contrast. I've been hesitant to highlight it too much because I wanted it to be quite darkl at the bottom - but I'll give in and do some little lights here and there, yes.

In fact, I jsut did it then - do it's done

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Oh yes, that axe now fits right in with the shield.
The little holes as well as the scratches are wonderful.

The freehand seems to have it's definition back

And the cuts look a lot better
Especially with the highlght marks on the under side of the cuts.


So I think thats a bitg thumbs up from me

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That looks really nice, i might try some of those things you have done.
Although im not a fan of the fur, its nicely done and all, but i just dont really like it, but you did say you were going to do some more highlighting, so that should help it.

oh yeah? THat's good, I thought mayeb I hadn't done enough - perhaps I will do a little little more, enhance some of the red in the blood or something? It's quite dark - maybe it needs a little more variety in colour. I'll see anyway.

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Love it. Skin tones especially, although I'm not a big fan of the freehand on the loin cloth, the two curl things look a tad too similar for my liking.

Oh yeah, Happy New Year everyone!!

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Looking good, particularly the skin - I love the blends, just beautiful...

I have to say though, that I think the miniature itself is butt-ugly - maybe it's just the mini's head, but it I find it a little distracting.

The fur around the shoulders; is it supposed to have that bluish hue to it? Maybe it's my monitor?

Looking forward to seeing the final result

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Great work Seb. Those scratches/ rust on the axe head have made the blade perfect. No more suggestions from me. I have to agree I like the way it is painted as it is now but it is a butt ugly orc ( what else can you from an Orc).

Hi Seb,

It's certainly been interesting watching this one progress. I went from not being sure about it at all to really liking it as the final touches made it all work... The stand-outs for me are the back of the cloak (pretty much perfect in my book), the skin (the torso, left hand and arms are great - some really interesting use of colour), the pants (simple but very effective) and finally the shield.

The only thing I'm not sure about is the axe. I think the initial colour used for the detailing was too light and therefore the verdigris hasn't contrasted strongly enough with it, it almost looks like shadowing rather than oxidation. The end result is something that looks too clean and bright when compared with the rest of the miniature. The addition of the rust improved it in ways but my problem with it is that rust would be unlikely to build up evenly over the blade of a well used weapon regardless of how badly kept. Maybe having a cleanish area where the blade would most often strike and darkening and thickening the rust elsewhere would work.

Apart from that one little criticism I think you done a splendid job of painting a mediocre miniature.

~Russell.

thanks for the encouragement everyone - and of course the good criticisms which helped a lot I think I'm glad you all like the skin, it was very enjoyable to try for some interesting colours and nuances - it was fun over the whole mini actually.

russell, thanks mate, that means a lot. About the rust on the axe - yeah you're right, but hmmm/...I don't think I can be bothered to change it now though, I just got all the final photos ready and done and everything and I don't want to do it all again haha! Maybe I'll change it for myself though, we'll see. Maybe he found an old ancient axe in a cave, like conan the barbarian haha, and he hasn't used it yet! So that explains why it's all still rusty hehe

I don't know why everyone has such a problem with the mini haha, it's funny, EVERYONE hates the sculpt....expect for me! haha, it's been my personal challenge to try to get people to like it more with the painting hehe, doesn't look like I succeeded too well though

Well I hope you guys found this thread at least a bit interesting anyway, if nothing else. I'm going to post the finished pics in the painting section, so we can move to there for further talk about stuff if you want.

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I don't hate the sculpt - it has a lot of good points, it's maybe just a little crude by today's standards.

When I initially saw the sculpt I didn't think there was any way that even you would be able to do too much with it but I was wrong... I think everyone here would agree that the end result is very impressive and you succeeded in making it look a lot better than it perhaps deserves.

I hope I haven't been to hard on the sculptor... There's a lot of good stuff there and I certainly couldn't do any better... I guess we're just a little spoilt by the amazing quality of sculpts these days and anything of a slightly lower standard gets judged pretty harshly...