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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:12 pm 
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Hi, here is a list I have compiled of all the Slayers Sword winners, I will update the list when a competition takes place.

They are categorised into either Fantasy, 40k or LotR. Diorama, Open and Large Scale to not have any game system, because of the unique nature of the categories. Also each counrty has their own names for categories, but these are the easiest names to identify the entry with.

Feel free to discuss trends in the Golden Demon competition.

Australia

1998 - Fanasty - Single - Leigh Carpenter
1999 - 40k - Vehicle - Paul Cairncross
2000 - Fantasy - Unit - Glen Lamprecht
2001 - Diorama - Victoria Lamb
2002 - Fantasy - Single - Glen Lamprecht
2003 - 40k - Single - Leigh Carpenter
2004 - Fantasy - Single - Glen Lamprecht
2005 - 40k - Single - Sebastian Archer
2006 - 40k - Monster - Glen Lamprecht
2007 - 40k - Single - Luke Andrew McFarlane
2008 - 40k - Monster - Luke Andrew McFarlane
2009 - LotR - Single - Sebastian Archer
2010 - 40k - Squad - Simon Hooker
2011 - 40k - Monster - Kyle Morgan
2012 - Fantasy - Single - Mark Soley

UK

1987 - Diorama
1988 - Diorama
1989 - Open
1990 - 40k - Vehicle
1991 - Fantasy - Monster
1992 - Fantasy - Army!
1993 - Fantasy - Single
1994 - 40k - Single
1995 - Diorama
1996 - 40k - Single
1997 - Fantasy - Single
1998 - Diorama
1999 - Fantasy - Single
2000 - Diorama
2001 - Fantasy - Unit
2002 - 40k - Monster
2003 - Fantasy - Unit
2004 - Fantasy - Single
2005 - 40k - Vehicle
2006 - Fantasy - Single
2007 - 40k - Monster
2008 - 40k - Single
2009 - Fantasy - Single
2010 - Diorama
2011 - Fantasy - Single
2012 - Fantasy - Monster
2013 - Diorama
2014 - 40k - Vehicle
2015 - 40k - Vehicle (Warhammer World: Golden Demon: Tanks)
2015 - 40k - Squad (Warhammer World: Golden Demon: Space Marines)
2016 - 40k - Vehicle (Warhammer World: Golden Demon: Horus Heresy)
2016 - Fantasy - Single
2016 - 40k - Single (Warhammer World: Golden Demon: Enemies of the Imperium)
2017 - 40k - Single (Warhammer World: Golden Demon: Horus Heresy)
2017 - Fantasy - Diorama
2018 - 40k - Single (Warhammer World: Golden Demon: Horus Heresy)
2018 - Fantasy - Monster

USA

1992 - Fantasy - Monster
1993 - 40k - Single
1994 ?
1995 - Fantasy - Monster
1996 - Fantasy - Unit
1997 - Fantasy - Monster
1998 - Fantasy - Monster
1999 - 40k - Squad
2000 - Fantasy - Monster
2001 - 40k - Squad
Baltimore 2002 - 40k - Single
Chicago 2002 - Fantasy - Single
Baltimore 2003 - 40k - Single
Chicago 2003 - Fantasy - Single
Los Angeles 2003 - Fantasy - Single
Baltimore 2004 - 40k - Single
Chicago 2004 - Fantasy - Monster
Los Angeles 2004 - Fantasy - Single
Atlanta 2004 - Fantasy - Monster
Baltimore 2005 - 40k - Squad
Chicago 2005 - Diorama
Los Angeles 2005 - 40k - Single
Atlanta 2005 - Fantasy - Single
Baltimore 2006 - Fantasy - Unit
Chicago 2006 - LotR - Unit
Los Angeles 2006 - 40k - Squad
Atlanta 2006 - Fantasy - Single
Baltimore 2007 - 40k - Single
Chicago 2007 - 40k - Single
Los Angeles 2007 - 40k - Single
Atlanta 2007 - Fantasy - Monster
Baltimore 2008 - 40k - Single
Chicago 2008 - Diorama
Los Angeles 2008 - 40k - Single
Baltimore 2009 - Fantasy - Unit
Chicago 2009 - Fantasy - Single
2010 - 40k - Monster
2011 - 40k - Monster
2012 - Fantasy - Single
2013 - Fantasy - Monster

Canada

2001 - Open
2002 - 40k - Single
2003 - 40k - Single
2004 - 40k - Monster
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2006 - Fantasy - Monster
2007 - 40k - Single
2008 - Fantasy - Single
2009 - Diorama


France

1997 - 40k - Single
1998 - 40k - Single
1999 - Diorama
2000 - 40k - Single
2001 - 40k - Single
2002 - 40k - Squad
2003 - Open
2004 - 40k - Vehicle
2005 - Diorama
2006 - Open
2007 - Open
2008 - Open
2009 - Fantasy - Monster
2010 - Fantasy - Monster
2011 - Diorama
2012 - Fantasy - Monster

Germany

1999 - Diorama
2000 - Fantasy - Single
2001 - Fantasy - Unit
2002 - Fantasy - Single
2003 - Fantasy - Monster
2004 - Fantasy - Single
2005 - Diorama
2006 - Fantasy - Monster
2007 - Large Scale
2008 - Diorama
2009 - Diorama
2010 - Diorama
2011 - Diorama
2012 - Diorama
2013 - Diorama

Spain

2000 - 40k - Single
2001 - Fantasy - Single
2002 - 40k - Single
2003 - 40k - Single
2004 - Fantasy - Single
2005 - 40k - Single
2006 - Open
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2008 - LotR - Single
2009 - Diorama
2010 - 40k - Single
2011 - Diorama
2012 - Diorama

Italy

2002 - Fantasy - Unit
2003 - Fantasy - Monster
2004 - Fantasy - Unit
2005 - Large Scale
2006 - Fantasy - Monster
2007 - 40k - Single
2008 - 40k - Single
2009 - 40k - Squad
2010 - Fantasy - Single
2011 - Fantasy - Monster
2012 - 40k - Single
2013 - Fantasy - Single

Poland

2007 - 40k - Squad
2008 - Diorama

Japan

2012 - 40k - Monster
2013 - 40k - Monster

Holland

2016 - Fantasy - Single


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:04 pm 
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Nice work Kyle! Interesting to see all the stats in one place. It is probably worth making the thread sticky, otherwise you are going to have to go hunting for it every few months as it sinks through the topics.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:19 am 
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Kyle,

You are a freak. That is WAY too much info for me to digest while I sit here this morning eating my weetbix.... :lol:


But I WILL have a thorough look tonight, thanks for going through it all (how bloody long did it take??), it will be interesting to discuss it :)

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:13 am 
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Looks likie dioramas are in vogue at the moment, eh? :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:18 am 
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Here's hoping :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:04 am 
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Here is the totals of the world, I compiled Kyle's data into a spread sheet listed by country, its pretty close between WFB and 40k. I didn't distinguish between the subcatagories in either field, just the main ones.

Totals
WFB ------- 46
40k -------- 43
LotR ------- 3
Dio -------- 17
Lg scale --- 2
Open ------ 6

I was going to split up the data more and add the subcatagories but I got lazy and decided not too at this moment in time.

edit - For a total of 117 slayer swords!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:38 am 
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Same, by the time I had finished getting all this Data, I gave up ! hahaha a :P

But, there are a few trends I can see.

Oz - Single entries (ie: one model) have total dominace, with twice being awarded to something with more then one figure. and also a Massive skew in favour of 40k entries.

UK - I never knew Fatasy was popular! It has pretty much always been something Fanatsy orientated. Even most of the dioramas. Speaking of Dioramas, they have the most SS winners in the Diorama category. I think that this type of judging is quite fitting, Fantasy being the orginal game, and also the large populatity of dioramas in WD and other places. Also Mike McVey's stunning Dios of the 90's have probably helped

US - Same as Oz, Fantasy and 40k single are a majority. Also holy crap, there are lots of GDs that have happened in the US... I had forgotton they had 4 going at once for a few years.

France - They have gone through some interesting trends. 40k single being the winner for a fair few years at the start. Also 3 out of those 4 40k entries being Nurgle based.... Then you have the rise of the large scale. With Allan, Banshee and David W. winning in the same category consecutive years with a large scale scratchbuild. Now Fantasy monster seems to be the new 'IT' category. :P

Germany - I was unaware that there were so many Fantasy winners here. a 40k based entry has never won! Also they have had quite a few Dioramas win also.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:17 pm 
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Ok - I crunched some numbers from that list as well today at work (ssshhh 8) ) and came up with this:


Australia

1998 - Fanasty - Single BLACK KNIGHT - Leigh Carpenter (2) (15% of swords won in Aus since inception)
1999 - 40k - Vehicle SHADOWSWORD - Paul Cairncross (1) (8.33%)
2000 - Fantasy - Unit WOOD ELVES - Glenn Lamprecht (4) (30%)
2001 - Diorama MORDHEIM - Victoria Lamb (1) (8.33%)
2002 - Fantasy - Single UNDEAD KNIGHT BSB - Glenn Lamprecht
2003 - 40k - Single LELITH CONVERSION - Leigh Carpenter
2004 - Fantasy - Single VAMPIRE KNIGHT - Glenn Lamprecht
2005 - 40k - Single DARK APOSTLE - Sebastian Archer (2) (15%)
2006 - 40k - Medium TERMIE CHAPLAIN - Glenn Lamprecht
2007 - 40k - Single MARINE CAPTAIN - Luke McFarlane (2) (15%)
2008 - 40k - Medium TAU SUIT - Luke McFarlane
2009 - LotR - Single GALADRIEL - Sebastian Archer
(I think they're pretty accurate??)
40k Single - 3 (25%)
Fant Single - 3 (25%)
40k Medium - 2 (15%)
40k Vehicle - 1 (8.33%)
Fant Reg - 1 (8.33%)
Diorama - 1 (8.33%)
LOTR - 1 (8.33%)

WORLDWIDE

40k Single - 30 (23.6%)
Fant Single - 22 (17.3%)
Diorama - 18 (14.17%)
Fant Large - 16 (12.6%)
Fant Regiment - 9 (7%)
40k Squad - 7 (5.5%)
Open - 7 (5.5%)
40k Large - 6 (4.7%)
Vehicle - 4 (3.1%)
LOTR - 3 (2.36%)
Large Scale - 2 (1.5%)
Large Scale - 2 (1.5%)
Other (Army?) - 1 (0.7%)

total - 127

THOUGHTS -

Disparity between Diorama here (8.33% - equal lowest) and Rest Of World (14.17% - third highest) results and 40k large/medium here (15% - second highest) and ROW (4.7% - middle). But I was surprised that Diorama is in 3rd place overall for number of swords awarded - I didn't expect that at all...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:18 am 
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Hmm, this is an interesting post indeed! Just to mix tings up a little we could look at this as just numbers and statistics... I feel the the sample size is too low at this stage for an accurate analasys. How you ask? Most countries have been running Demons since around the mid 90's, which allows for data to be collected for around a 10 to 15 year history. In that time (and I'm really only speaking from experience in Oz and UK) we have had only a few 'generations' ie painters who come and go as winners.

When we look at the data more closely we can see that there has really only been data for 'years competition run = Number of categories'. I'll assume we all know how a six sided dice works... If you roll a six sided dice 6 times,it would be rare that you would get the whole range of numbers 1-6 appear once each. This is due to the fact that every roll is independent, and no previous roll will impact a future roll ie just because i rolled 3 3's in a row,does not mean I can't roll another one again. However, over a long enough period of time and tries a pattern may emerge. The expected result would be that each number would appear 1/6th of the time.

We can also use the dice model to look at bias. Every time you drill a hole in the side of a dice, i lightens the weight on that face meaning that on average it will have a bias towards higher numbers. For this reasons casinos refil the holes drilled into dice with the same density material that was drilled out. This could be related back to judging in that some judges may have a slight preference towards a particuar painting style or gaming system. This bias may all be the effect of the people entering also, in that extra effort may be made to win in one category over another.

In summing up (Maths pun intended) we haven't seen a long enough history of numbers and data to reach a certain conclusion yet, and we already know that bias exists. As a general rule:
"Every minature entered, regardless of category (unless otherwise stated), has the opportunity win the sword. You just need to paint it really good!"

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It looks like the recent OZ GD has given us some new food for thought, with a brand new Slayer winner *More grats Simon* and a win in a category that has not hosted too many swords before....

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:06 pm 
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Interesting indeed.

Im uncertain as to why mroe Open are not winning.

Afterall, they allow the most freedom.

But then again, GW run and judge the comp based upon "in-universe" and what they wish to use to further promote the products...


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@ AvatarForm - I have a few theories as to why open entries are not winning... and its not simply the paining quality. Most open entries are larger than your regular single figures and have a lot more area to cover with the brush. This generally leads to larger area techniques such as drybrushing and washing, which are not a true demonstrations of one ability. To be perfecly honest though this is only a rough assesment, as its rare to see the loosing entries in the same way we see the winning ones, which leads to my next thought, that the numbers never lie...

On the statistical notes I made a few posts before this one, there is clearly still too little data to go on for a true assesment, however there are some interesting points to note...
FRANCE - Out of 14 comps there are 4 open winners (28.5 %) That's a 1 in 3 wins from open approx.
USA - Out of 37 comps, no open winners (0 %) , same as net result as Oz (0 %)

Could France see such a high result in comparison due to the painters themselves and not the judges? Are the painters driving where the judging goes by actually producing work worthy of slayer kudos? Short answer is yes, however some of this is also due to the regional culture. I remember in the mid 90's reading GD articles in White Dwarf that culturally showed bias towards single minis. KyleM's earlier post also reflects on reasons for these trends:

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But, there are a few trends I can see.

Oz - Single entries (ie: one model) have total dominace, with twice being awarded to something with more then one figure. and also a Massive skew in favour of 40k entries.

UK - I never knew Fatasy was popular! It has pretty much always been something Fanatsy orientated. Even most of the dioramas. Speaking of Dioramas, they have the most SS winners in the Diorama category. I think that this type of judging is quite fitting, Fantasy being the orginal game, and also the large populatity of dioramas in WD and other places. Also Mike McVey's stunning Dios of the 90's have probably helped

US - Same as Oz, Fantasy and 40k single are a majority. Also holy crap, there are lots of GDs that have happened in the US... I had forgotton they had 4 going at once for a few years.

France - They have gone through some interesting trends. 40k single being the winner for a fair few years at the start. Also 3 out of those 4 40k entries being Nurgle based.... Then you have the rise of the large scale. With Allan, Banshee and David W. winning in the same category consecutive years with a large scale scratchbuild. Now Fantasy monster seems to be the new 'IT' category.

Germany - I was unaware that there were so many Fantasy winners here. a 40k based entry has never won! Also they have had quite a few Dioramas win also.


I keep coming up with the same conclusion whatever way I look at it, you need to paint the best model/models in the comp to win the sword. Judging minis must be an extreemly difficult pressure for any judge, especially with GD as the only large scale comp for minis (except for new comers Crystal Brush). While we have seen 'upsets' (and I use the term loosely) over judging before, you still need an exceptionally well painted mini to have any chance, after which its just like rolling a dice...

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Sorry Symoneferk, there is no secret theory behind winning in the Open category. It is pretty simple why you dont see Sword winners, its because only 2 country's currently allow someone to win the Slayer in Open. Spain and France. And even now.... they try to not award it to Open. As the competion is to highlight well painted GW miniatures. And in Open things may be scratchbuilt or heavily converted meaning it is going away from what is wanted as a Slayer winner.

And same as any othere theory on how to win a Sword. Needs to be well painted, but I dont think that being the best painted is what does it. It needs to fit the theme and imagry of the GW universe the best.


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I came across this page on the GW website that I had never seen before. It has all the pictures of the past 2 years of winners of all the GD's around the world I think. And more pictures I haven't seen before, like larger pictures of each of Simon's Scouts.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?start=1&articleCatId=&aId=13000009a&categoryId=&catId=&pIndex=0&communityArticleCatId=&section=&singlePageMode=true


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